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Well, the Adept English podcast is here primarily to help you with learning English, but many of you tell me that you particularly like my podcasts on the brain and on neuroscience. So as you know, if you listen regularly - this is one of my favourite topics too, so I love making podcasts on this. So here we go today with a dual-purpose podcast again.
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So as a psychotherapist, I do ‘talking therapy’ with people. People who are anxious or depressed or who have other psychological difficulties. And lots of these difficulties do respond to what has been known since Sigmund Freud as ‘The Talking Cure’. We use many other theories, beyond Freud, of course. But I’m always aware too that our brains are complex and though many problems are addressed by ‘talking therapy’ or psychotherapy, it really is only part of the picture.
What determines how we are as human beings and how we behave and what our internal experience is like - well, it’s down to lots of things. As I’ve spoken about in a previous podcast, we might be affected by trauma - remember podcast 478 where I talked about the trauma work of Dutch born Psychiatrist, Bessel Van der Kolk? We’re also affected psychologically by our genetics, particularly by mutations or changes in our genetics which we all have. Also by our diet, our nutrition - meaning what we eat. And our psychology is affected of course, by our personal experiences and history and our physical brain.
We’re affected by how the brain is physically functioning. And science is making great progress at the moment, learning more and more about the physical brain. Of course, we really are just at the start of understanding how the brain works, but it’s really exciting. We have MRI scans and lots of other ways of collecting information now about our brains.
This knowledge, this understanding, well it’s relevant to all of us. It’s about our human condition. It determines our understanding of ourselves and of other people. ‘Brain’, BRAIN is the physical organ, the ‘grey matter’ and we use the word ‘mind’, MIND to talk about the psychology, the internal experience, what we and others experience of the way we are.
And study of the brain is whizzing along in all kinds of different directions. There are so many exciting areas to talk about! When a new idea, a new experiment or a new treatment appears, it’s often not well understood, but we might learn surprising things from it. Each development takes our understanding further, sometimes in surprising directions.
One of these ideas, a concept which has become a treatment for the brain in the last few years, is Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation or TMS. It’s one of those which scientists aren’t quite sure how it works. But it does do something to our brain! Vocabulary here - ‘Transcranial’? Well ‘trans’ means ‘across’ and your ‘cranium’, CRANIUM is your ‘skull’ - the bone, which sits around your brain.
The round part of your head is your ‘cranium’. ‘Magnetic’, MAGNETIC just means ‘using magnets’. And ‘stimulation’ comes from the verb ‘to stimulate’, STIMULATE. In science, to stimulate generally means ‘to excite, to increase activity in’ something. And here, that’s the brain. So again, that’s Transcranium Magnetic Stimulation or TMS. Let’s talk about what that is.
So parts of your brain communicate using nerve cells or ‘neurons’. That’s NEURONS. And it’s been known that neurons function through chemical and electrical signals. Electrical signals are used to move information along neural pathways, whereas chemical signals are used to transfer information between neurons that are next to one another. And it was in the 1980s that Dr Antony Barker of Sheffield University in the UK, first tried experiments with Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation of various parts of the brain. The ‘subject’, the person, the patient if you like, is conscious, so this gave rise to some interesting experiences.
So electrodes or ‘electrical connections’ are stuck onto the person’s skull or cranium - their head in other words. And then a weak current of electricity is passed through. The current ‘pulses’ and repeats. And this way, particular parts of the brain can be stimulated. So Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation or TMS is now used to treat various psychological problems. Problems like depression, trauma, addiction, eating disorders, OCD and many more might be treated with TMS.
The idea being, for example in something like depression, if you stimulate the parts of the brain which control mood, you might make the person feel better. We use the word ‘mood’, MOOD to mean how happy or how sad a person is. So if you have depression, we would say you had ‘low mood’. Or we might talk about ‘mood swings’. So the idea with something like depression, is that if you use TMS to stimulate the neurotransmitters, the chemicals if you like, in certain areas of the brain, this will produce more neurotransmitters - so the person will feel better.
So examples of the neurotransmitters that you may have heard of - serotonin, SEROTONIN. That’s the neurotransmitter, or brain chemical which makes us feel sociable and friendly and jolly. Dopamine, DOPAMINE is the neurotransmitter which makes us feel enthusiastic and gives us pleasure. So theoretically, if a depressed person had more of each of these neurotransmitters, they might feel better!
So I’ve said that Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation is used for example as a treatment for depression. It’s not certain how effective it is. Some research studies on TMS suggest that although the patients get a little better, the effect wasn’t much greater than on a placebo group.
The word ‘placebo’, PLACEBO means ‘pretend’. So if you’re getting ‘placebo treatment’ it’s not the real deal, it’s not the real treatment. But having a ‘placebo’ group in a research study is normal. It validates, it checks out the results - sometimes in a study everyone improves, just because they’re in a research study! So you have to allow for that and factor that in.
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It’s starting to be very clear that there are many different reasons why people become depressed. And there are several different types of depression, even at the brain level. It’s not ‘one size fits all’. Although it’s been the theory for a long time, it’s not now certain that depression is always to do with neurotransmitters like serotonin and dopamine - there are other reasons for it. This is why anti-depressants work for some people and not for others - because they mainly work on serotonin.
So with TMS, about 30% of people find the treatment makes their depression go away altogether. It isn’t permanent - it lasts for about a year. That’s a pity - but if you suffer depression, a year without it is certainly worth having. And with TMS 50-60% find that it makes some difference. Clearly this is better than the statistics for anti-depressants. And the current TMS treatments may be just a step along the way towards other treatments that are more effective.
In a minute, I’ll talk about TMS and Autism - which is really interesting! But first just a reminder that if you like the Adept English podcast, it’s a good idea to do our free course The Seven Rules of Adept English to make sure that you’re using the podcasts in the best way for your English language learning.
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So what really interests me about TMS is the effect it has when it’s used on people with Autism or Autistic Spectrum Disorder - that’s ASD. I’ve covered the topic of autism before, in podcast 452. It’s something which is very common and we probably all know someone, who has ASD or Autistic Spectrum Disorder. How often this is recognised and diagnosed probably depends upon where in the world you live. Another form is Asperger’s.
As I said in podcast 452 ‘People on the autistic spectrum may not be warm and spontaneous with their emotions, especially with people they don’t know. People with ASD don’t always see the so-called ‘social cues’ – which means social signals, like when someone wants you to leave or when someone is joking perhaps.’
A person with Asperger’s may be awkward in social situations and prefer time alone. It may be hard to make friends and they may have ‘restricted interests’ - that’s where someone focuses on a very narrow subject and becomes expert in it. People with Aspergers and ASD are often ‘good at detail’, but find ‘the big picture’ difficult. Restricted interests and repetitive behaviours can be very calming to someone with ASD – so routine and ‘things remaining the same’ can be important.
So you are perhaps familiar with what ASD is like - or you may have it yourself. As I’ve mentioned previously, Greta Thunberg is a famous person who has Asperger’s. It’s not something you need to see as a negative - it just means ‘a different way of being’. But what happens when you use TMS on someone who has Autistic Spectrum Disorder? Well, for me this is the really fascinating part.
The effect is said to be of ‘waking up the emotions’. This at least was the experience of one man who’s written about it, who was diagnosed with Autism in his 40s. John Elder Robison volunteered as a subject for TMS research at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston. After the first session of TMS, he thought nothing was different. Then, when he was in his car on the way home, he realised that music was completely different for him - full of emotion! He started to think about why the music was written, by whom and what it meant.
With further experimental sessions of TMS, further changes came. In particular, the ability to sense other people’s feelings became at times overwhelming, whereas previously John Elder Robison’s responses would have been much more practical, much more logical. He wouldn’t have tuned in to the feeling of the other person in the same way. He would’ve known it was there, but not particularly attended to it.
The treatment brought out in him an automatically more compassionate, sympathetic, empathic response to other people’s emotions. He saw them automatically, whether he wanted to see them or not and found himself automatically responding to them. This hadn’t happened before. So in some senses, John Elder Robison felt that he was worse off. The Autism provided a ‘protection’ - it meant that he didn’t have to be so aware of other people’s emotions, other people’s pain. It worked as a sort of ‘protective shield’. And life was very different, once it wasn’t there - it seemed like a permanent change.
I guess if you’ve been having these responses to other people all your life, you’ve got ways of dealing with it. But if you have ASD and the effect of Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation is suddenly to ‘switch this on’, it’s probably really difficult to deal with! I find this really interesting! It’s almost as though TMS can ‘switch on’ parts of the brain that weren’t functioning much, which weren’t working in in this way previously.
You might ask whether you would actually want to do this if you had autism? In a way, you’d have feelings, and emotions that perhaps you don’t have the capacity to manage. On the other hand, some of the ‘social difficulties’ which people with ASD can have, might be easier in our world of ‘neurotypical’ people.
I think there’s a lot more to say and talk about here, but this is probably enough for one podcast. So let me know if you find this subject interesting and if you’d would like more on it.
Enough for now. Have a lovely day. Speak to you again soon. Goodbye.
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